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	<title>Comments on: Measure body fat with only a gallon jug (and a couple thousand tons of water)</title>
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		<title>By: FuglDad</title>
		<link>http://hans.fugal.net/blog/2007/11/14/measure-body-fat-with-only-a-gallon-jug-and-a-couple-thousand-tons-of-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1642</link>
		<dc:creator>FuglDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We happened to be going the pool yesterday and decided to give the body fat measurements another try.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This time we tried measuring our VC and converting it for BTPS in hopes of getting better accuracy.  I then compared the results to the skin fold method, BMI, and two body measurement methods - girth and weight for the males and hips and height for the female and also the Navy tables which include waist or hips, neck and height.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The test subjects were 1) male age 53, 2) male age 15, and 3) female age 17. Here are the results:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Subject 1:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;weight -  254.4 lbs&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;height -  6&#039; 4&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;hydrostatic  -  25.3%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;skinfold  -  28%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Navy body measurement  -  24%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;waist &amp; weight  -  25%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;BMI  -  31%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Subject 2:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;weight -  170.4 lbs&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;height -  6&#039; 1.5&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;hydrostatic  -  17.3%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;skinfold  -  17%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Navy body measurement  -  10%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;waist &amp; weight  -  12%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;BMI  -  22.2%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Subject 3:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;weight -  168.4 lbs&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;height -  5&#039; 11&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;hydrostatic  -  28.9%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;skinfold  -  25%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Navy body measurement  -  29%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;hip &amp; height  -  29.5%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;BMI  -  23.5%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Observations:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BMI is way off.  High for the males and low for the female.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Body measurement methods have good corrilation with other measurements with the very notable exception of the 15 year old male.  Since a 17 year old female will generally have an essentially adult body, the implication is that body measurement methods are only reliable with adults.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The degree of correlation between most of the methods gives good confidence for your method.  with the additional step to try to get a better handle on VC, I feel confident that the improvised hydrostatic method give the most reliable results.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My BTPS correction for VC was estimated at 1.082 due to somewhat higher altitude here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hope you find these results interesting and useful.  I found the excersise fun and informative.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dad&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We happened to be going the pool yesterday and decided to give the body fat measurements another try.</p>
<p>This time we tried measuring our VC and converting it for BTPS in hopes of getting better accuracy.  I then compared the results to the skin fold method, BMI, and two body measurement methods &#8211; girth and weight for the males and hips and height for the female and also the Navy tables which include waist or hips, neck and height.  </p>
<p>The test subjects were 1) male age 53, 2) male age 15, and 3) female age 17. Here are the results:</p>
<p>Subject 1:</p>
<ul>
<li>weight &#8211;  254.4 lbs</li>
<li>height &#8211;  6&#8242; 4&#8243;</li>
<li>hydrostatic  &#8211;  25.3%</li>
<li>skinfold  &#8211;  28%</li>
<li>Navy body measurement  &#8211;  24%</li>
<li>waist &amp; weight  &#8211;  25%</li>
<li>BMI  &#8211;  31%</li>
</ul>
<p>Subject 2:</p>
<ul>
<li>weight &#8211;  170.4 lbs</li>
<li>height &#8211;  6&#8242; 1.5&#8243;</li>
<li>hydrostatic  &#8211;  17.3%</li>
<li>skinfold  &#8211;  17%</li>
<li>Navy body measurement  &#8211;  10%</li>
<li>waist &amp; weight  &#8211;  12%</li>
<li>BMI  &#8211;  22.2%</li>
</ul>
<p>Subject 3:</p>
<ul>
<li>weight &#8211;  168.4 lbs</li>
<li>height &#8211;  5&#8242; 11&#8243;</li>
<li>hydrostatic  &#8211;  28.9%</li>
<li>skinfold  &#8211;  25%</li>
<li>Navy body measurement  &#8211;  29%</li>
<li>hip &amp; height  &#8211;  29.5%</li>
<li>BMI  &#8211;  23.5%</li>
</ul>
<p></p>
<p>Observations:</p>
<p>BMI is way off.  High for the males and low for the female.</p>
<p>Body measurement methods have good corrilation with other measurements with the very notable exception of the 15 year old male.  Since a 17 year old female will generally have an essentially adult body, the implication is that body measurement methods are only reliable with adults.</p>
<p>The degree of correlation between most of the methods gives good confidence for your method.  with the additional step to try to get a better handle on VC, I feel confident that the improvised hydrostatic method give the most reliable results.</p>
<p>My BTPS correction for VC was estimated at 1.082 due to somewhat higher altitude here.</p>
<p>Hope you find these results interesting and useful.  I found the excersise fun and informative.</p>
<p>Dad</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
		<link>http://hans.fugal.net/blog/2007/11/14/measure-body-fat-with-only-a-gallon-jug-and-a-couple-thousand-tons-of-water/comment-page-1/#comment-1643</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the experiments! It&#039;s good to see the correlation there. It&#039;s definitely the case, from what I&#039;ve read, that the body fat measurement methods are designed for adult bodies. This also goes for the equations used in the hydrostatic method.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the experiments! It&#8217;s good to see the correlation there. It&#8217;s definitely the case, from what I&#8217;ve read, that the body fat measurement methods are designed for adult bodies. This also goes for the equations used in the hydrostatic method.</p>
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